[Breakingthesilence] short answer in bad english for the moment

plume1 at no-log.org plume1 at no-log.org
Dim 4 Avr 17:38:10 CEST 2004

i just received all the mail from the breaking the silence list because
the squat where i live is going to be evicted.
i'm still interested in the gender issue in the pga conference but i
didn't know that some people blocked the proposals about having a gender
day and non mixted spaces.
do you know if the block was against the proposal because it was not a
good way to introduce the gender issue or if it was because they don't
want to talk  about it at all?
my english is not really good and i can't say everything i want but i'll
try anyway if it's not to hard for all of you to understand me
for the moment i didn't have the time to read all the texts in the list
,moreover the fact that there are all in english make it more difficult
but i'll try to make comments
i'm not going to belgrade in april but i'd like to go there in july.
are there other people who wants to work on the gender issue who also want
to go there in july?
maybe we can meet before if we want to make leaflet and find some
interesting texts
it's going to be my first pga conference so i think i'll understand more
after the context and the people making part of it
if there a block on those kind of proposal i think that it means that we
have a lot of work...?
so for the texts and the leaflet we have to rise their attention on the
gender issue, if it's not in the basis of the pga organizing i will think
that it's really contradictory to what  i'm expecting from the pga
i'll try to go on the net in a week...

plume(la poudriere de nantes)

>       hello.
>       okay, let's initiate this list. we are 17 subscribers. we are
> somehow the gender working group to prepare this issue for the next
> european pga conference. there are only three persons who
> participated to the dijon's wintermeeting (from this meeting came
> some concret proposals, you can found them on the web site:
> http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/dijon/gender.htm ),
> the others disappeared... since the belgrade's preparation meeting
> in october where two proposals were blocked (to have one gender-day
> and to have women and men and if wanted other 'non-mixed' spaces)
> there happened not so much about it. the proposals should be
> reformulated and explained again by the 'gender working group'. we
> tried to contact the people who were interested after the dijon's
> meeting and created this mailinglist. but to be honest, this is the
> first mail on it... so far as we understood, this issue was not
> discussed in the january meeting neither. until now this famous
> gender working group didn't really exist, and the question is what
> to do now. we feel really uncomfortable with this 'blocking
> situation', especially as it seems not resolvable (?) on local
> belgrade level. (since the october meeting discussions on this issue
> have always been violent and some people left dsm). we don't know
> really how to act if people will maintain the block. in the worst
> case we can accept that people are not interested in gender issue
> but we can not accept that they block concret proposals. this is
> even in the opposite with our idea of pga basis organizing. we see
> it both - the gender day and women etc. spaces blocking - as a
> problem, but since it might be a big difficulty to arrange the whole
> day on gender with local people, we think it's not worth that work,
> we are probably not enough people and we have not enough time to
> work really on a concept (the idea about this gender day was to make
> sure that people will not have to choose between this and other
> topics, to show that we consider it as a really important issue, but
> it shouldn't look like a special event and after we can go back to
> the 'normal' program). we would much more like to work on contacts
> and content and have as many gender issue workshops as possible
> during the whole conference. still, we feel it's very important to
> work on having non-mixed spaces.
>       we would like to know what you are thinking about this and what kind
> of involvement you are willing to take (it makes no sense to focus
> on gender if there are not enough people working on it).
>       beside this important points to be discussed, here is a list of
> concrete things to work on:
>       - realize a questionnary to be sent with the application form (see
> dijon report) and think about how to use the answers in an
> interesting way...
>       - leaflet for the conference opening, layout, print
>       - specific gender contact work to invite groups to propose workshops
> and/or present their work. can we imagine to write a specific short
> call that could be added to the general call or sent as a special
> call ?
>       - collecting texts for a gender-reader, organizing layout and
> printing. translation?
>       for the moment we are just listing this projects. before to take
> responsabilities for some tasks, we would like to have discussion.
> it seems important to us to have it before the april's meeting. and
> maybe we should send the outcome of our discussion (our concerns and
> concrete proposals??) to the process list. both of us we won't be at
> the next meeting. is there anyone here who will come to belgrade?
>       please take the time to think about all this and share it!
>       take care!
>       bosa (belgrade) and inga (grenoble, sans titre network)
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