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diañu burlon dianhuburlon at gmx.net
Tue May 18 14:54:29 CEST 2004

Hi every one,

Nice to know you are busy reading documents coming from Asia.
Why are we here no longer surprised of such replys from Europeans?

The document you are speaking about is part of a "funding application", 
that we are using also in a urgent need to inform people on the agenda.

But it is very great we got the decentralization and the autonomy of the 
regions, so the regions don´t have to eat all time the view and imposition 
of political culture, reality and ideological arrogance of Europe anymore.

I don´t have time, neither any feeling, on entering into a discussion with 
you "West Essex Zappatista". Maybe some one here, after conference, will 
write to you to explain a couple of things. Tomorrow delegations will 
arrive. we have better things to do now.


At 13:25 18/05/2004 +0200, friday wrote:
>why are you writing as "we"? Who is "we" in this case?
>There is no such thing as a "PGA statement". The text below appears as 
>part of a
>network, it is part of the programme for the PGA Asia and Gender conference. I
>do not think that people living in Europe should judge the wording of texts in
>Asia or other regions as non- "PGA view". This is a decentralised network.
>Considering the fact that people in Bangladesh are very busy in organising the
>conference, I think a few days before the conference starts we should do
>everything to support their search for finances and wish them great debates on
>gender and other themes at the conference.
>Quoting paki.tv at cyber-rights.net:
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > We tried to contact you several weeks ago, and have oblz just had this
> > address forwarded by Oliver.
> >
> > "These two days people will work from their personal experience, their
> > lives. Gender is inside the skin. Before you are an indigenous, a migrant,
> >  a Hindu.you are a woman or a man. From the first moment of the birth,
> >  a person is teach to move, to act, to dream in a concrete way depending
> > on the values his/her society has chosen for her/him depending on the
> > sex.
> > Delegates will analyses from their personal lives, the oppression and
> > power structures in the patriarchal system.  Expertise trainers with
> > experience in working with rural realities will facilitate these two
> > days.
> > Masculinity will be introduced in only men workshops. It will be raised
> > the discussion on what is and why is necessary gender perspective in
> > the organizations, and how to implement it."
> >
> > This is raising a number of concerns:
> >
> > The statements appears as if it is part of a PGA statement. In fact it
> > presents a very controversial view of gender. What is being done to ensure
> > that people understand that this is not a PGA view?
> >
> > Why is this gender debate being run by "experts"? Who are they? Who
> > considers
> > them experts? Do they endorse the view on gender expressed above? How
> > will other views be dealt with and/or encouraged? Why is this part of
> > the conference being run by "experts"? Why are women being banned from
> > some meetings? Was this a decision promoted by the experts?
> >
> > We are concerned that the PGA process maybe seriously compromised if
> > these issues are not dealt with.
> >
> > We have already experienced problems in Europe concerning people trying
> > to circulate texts on gender and passing them off as PGA texts. There
> > is an ongoing controversy about banning women from meetings.
> >
> > We have also come across "experts" working with the London Social Forum
> > who are promoting behaviourist and psycho-Darwinists viewpoints. This
> > comes as no suprise to us. However while such manipulations in the WSF
> > network might be expected, we see these as running counter to the PGA
> > hallmarks.
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > West Essex Zappatista
> >
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