[Pga_europe_process] PGA web

Maja i Milan decorte at eunet.yu
Mon Jun 7 19:26:56 CEST 2004


slazem se potpuno sa asimom. ni meni se ne svidja
kultur/imperijalistcki ton koji vlada na pga procesu,
te sam odlucio da se od sada borim za to da se
mejlovi na ovu listu salju ISKLJUCIVO na jezicima
koji se govore istocno od beograda. i pored toga sto
sam svestan da ce to u velikoj meri otezati komunikaciju,
i da smo se na prethodnom prep sastanku u londonu
dogovorili oko koriscenja jezika (prevoda) na konferenciji
ja cu od sada pisati samo na svom maternjem jeziku
koji razumeju i hrvati i bosanci a koji ne znam kako
da nazovem zbog politicke korektnosti. sta vise, iz
ovih stopa idem da spalim sve recnike engleskog jezika,
a pokucacu i kod komsija (mozda mi se neko od njih
pridruzi). napolju pada kisa ali nam nece biti hladno.

milan

jugoistocno zemunski fanatista

larc wrote:

>>I wouldn't pay much attention to this. DSM! info team have already
>>issued one warning  concerning people who do not like what we are
>>doing here in Belgrade, with pga conference, people from different
>>milieus, from old school anarchos and trots, who seem to think of pga
>>as of some 'postmodern trick' invented to delude the working
>>class....  They are all over the web. Same goes for blood and honor
>>skinhead nazi groups...
>>    
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>
>
>yes i agree that ignorance can be bliss, but its time to wake up and
>start dealing with these issues 'seriously'.
>
>all criticism needs to be taken seriously. wot arguments are u putting
>forward against the accusations of pga as 'postmodern trickery' ? if
>your only response is equating 'anarchos' and 'trots' with 'skinhead
>nazi groups', i think that some pretty serious questions are raised as
>to your own 'politics'
>
>  
>
>>"warning": we should use the space of a conference to debate, in a
>>very serious fashion, in series of serious political and strategic
>>debates, aforementioned problems of sexism, racism, class and so many
>>others....I am worried that sometimes we get lost in logistics and
>>process  to an extent that we tend to forget about the importance of
>>content, i.e. of having serious political debates and confrontations
>>of ideas......And it is always important to have both. So I would like
>>to stress the importance of writing a good description of thematic
>>areas for the conference; to offer a good content and quality of
>>political discussion.... 
>>    
>>
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>
>the 'space of the conference' also includes the organisation process.
>why have eastern europeans been excluded from the organisation process?
>why was the call printed only in languages to the west of belgrade? why
>is russian seen as imperialist but not german or english? why have
>complaints of groups eg. a black womens group, from the leiden
>conference not been carried forward into the process for this
>conference?
>
>the crisis u face is that u are not engaging in a movement, only in
>bureaucracy. if u fail to address these issues RIGHT NOW then u fail for
>all time
>
>as things stand we'd like to propose that the warning:
>"Warning : Peoples Global Action is run by a bureaucratic clique riven
>by racism, sexism and pro-western imperialism."
>go on all printed material related to the PGA Conference in Belgrade
>
>we don't see why this would be blocked without 'serious' debate. which
>is what we expect when we confront power, be it male, white opr ruling
>class supremacism. 
>
>Asim,
>West Essex Zapatista
>at LARC
>
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