[Pga_europe_process] PGA web

kolektiv eimigracija migrativeart at skynet.be
Mon Jun 7 20:36:09 CEST 2004


> najtoplije pozdravljam i pridruzujem se hitno ovoj inicijativi. nsataviti sa
> fantazmima III internacionale, zadatak je danas od prvorazredne vaznosti!
> narocito ovde na  trulom i apatichnom zapadu. s druge strane, time ce se
> ukazati skora  ( propustena) prilika za spaljivanjem vec zza lomachu, onomad u
> engleskoj,  predvidjene knjige vladimira ilica uljanova u istocno londonskom
> parku: dosuse, za sada,  samo njena engleska  tj. imperijalisticka, tj.
> kultur-rasisticka izdanja.
> veliki pan-slovenski pozdrav svima istocno od drine
> i
> 
> 
> 
> slazem se potpuno sa asimom. ni meni se ne svidja
> kultur/imperijalistcki ton koji vlada na pga procesu,
> te sam odlucio da se od sada borim za to da se
> mejlovi na ovu listu salju ISKLJUCIVO na jezicima
> koji se govore istocno od beograda. i pored toga sto
> sam svestan da ce to u velikoj meri otezati komunikaciju,
> i da smo se na prethodnom prep sastanku u londonu
> dogovorili oko koriscenja jezika (prevoda) na konferenciji
> ja cu od sada pisati samo na svom maternjem jeziku
> koji razumeju i hrvati i bosanci a koji ne znam kako
> da nazovem zbog politicke korektnosti. sta vise, iz
> ovih stopa idem da spalim sve recnike engleskog jezika,
> a pokucacu i kod komsija (mozda mi se neko od njih
> pridruzi). napolju pada kisa ali nam nece biti hladno.
> 
> milan
> 
> jugoistocno zemunski fanatista
> 
> larc wrote:
> I wouldn't pay much attention to this. DSM! info team have already
> issued one warning  concerning people who do not like what we are
> doing here in Belgrade, with pga conference, people from different
> milieus, from old school anarchos and trots, who seem to think of pga
> as of some 'postmodern trick' invented to delude the working
> class....  They are all over the web. Same goes for blood and honor
> skinhead nazi groups...
>     
> 
> 
> yes i agree that ignorance can be bliss, but its time to wake up and
> start dealing with these issues 'seriously'.
> 
> all criticism needs to be taken seriously. wot arguments are u putting
> forward against the accusations of pga as 'postmodern trickery' ? if
> your only response is equating 'anarchos' and 'trots' with 'skinhead
> nazi groups', i think that some pretty serious questions are raised as
> to your own 'politics'
> 
>   
> "warning": we should use the space of a conference to debate, in a
> very serious fashion, in series of serious political and strategic
> debates, aforementioned problems of sexism, racism, class and so many
> others....I am worried that sometimes we get lost in logistics and
> process  to an extent that we tend to forget about the importance of
> content, i.e. of having serious political debates and confrontations
> of ideas......And it is always important to have both. So I would like
> to stress the importance of writing a good description of thematic
> areas for the conference; to offer a good content and quality of
> political discussion....
>     
> 
> 
> the 'space of the conference' also includes the organisation process.
> why have eastern europeans been excluded from the organisation process?
> why was the call printed only in languages to the west of belgrade? why
> is russian seen as imperialist but not german or english? why have
> complaints of groups eg. a black womens group, from the leiden
> conference not been carried forward into the process for this
> conference?
> 
> the crisis u face is that u are not engaging in a movement, only in
> bureaucracy. if u fail to address these issues RIGHT NOW then u fail for
> all time
> 
> as things stand we'd like to propose that the warning:
> "Warning : Peoples Global Action is run by a bureaucratic clique riven
> by racism, sexism and pro-western imperialism."
> go on all printed material related to the PGA Conference in Belgrade
> 
> we don't see why this would be blocked without 'serious' debate. which
> is what we expect when we confront power, be it male, white opr ruling
> class supremacism.
> 
> Asim,
> West Essex Zapatista
> at LARC
> 
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